Oral History Interview with Myers Ferreira

Title

Oral History Interview with Myers Ferreira

Interviewee

Stephen Myers Ferreira

Interviewer

Naeem Mangum

Description

Stephen Myers Ferreira of Memphis, Tennessee was interviewed by Naeem Mangum, a Sewanee student, on November 20th, 2023 in person. While their conversation was primarily on the Black Lives Matter Movement, other topics included Myers Ferreira’s upbringing in Memphis and the marginalization of his family in McGhee, Mississippi. We hope that this conversation will assist scholars with a further understanding of race in the United States during the early twenty-first century. Please click on the link to see the full interview.

Transcript

0:13 Naeem Mangum: All right. This is Naeem Manum from Sewanee, the University of the South. It is Sunday, November 20th, 2023 at 8:00 PM and I'm with

0:26 Myers Ferreira: Steven Ferreira from Memphis, Tennessee.

0:31 Naeem Mangum: Alright, thank you Steven Ferreira for being here. Steven, are you originally from Memphis, Tennessee?

0:40 Myers Ferreira: I am. Yeah. I'm from Memphis, Tennessee.

0:45 Naeem Mangum: Okay. Just born and raised everything. You've never been anywhere else

0:51 Myers Ferreira: Never been anywhere else. Born and raised in the city. Moved out to Midtown when I was two years old, and that's why I've been ever since.

1:02 Naeem Mangum: Where did you find community in Memphis?

1:06 Myers Ferreira: Where did I find community?

1:07 Naeem Mangum: As a child?

1:09 Myers Ferreira: As a child

1:09 Naeem Mangum: When you were, yeah, real young.

1:11 Myers Ferreira: When I was real young, I had four good best friends in preschool, Simon, Nash, and Chioke. And Ray, Ray Edwards. So four best friends and they all lived in my neighborhood. Simon moved to California after preschool, but that was my community. And then I was also a soccer player. I was a soccer player, so I did that too. I was also in TaeKwonDo as a child and hung out a lot with my church family as well. Where else? As far as I can think right now.

1:59 Naeem Mangum: What did you do with your church family?

2:02 Myers Ferreira: My granddad worked in the church as the treasurer, and I did everything with my granddad when I was younger, when my dad would be doing his thing and my mom would be at work. So granddad, I'd go out, do things with granddad and in my opinion, at that age, what he did was pretty lame. So when the church kids, when everybody would come to work at the church, I would hang out with all the church kids and we were playing just with the toys and the playroom downstairs and stuff like that.

2:40 Naeem Mangum: Handling the finances with your Grandad

2:42 Myers Ferreira: Handling the finances, if you will.

2:46 Naeem Mangum: Alright. And being in college, but also, so having two homes, where do you find community today?

2:56 Myers Ferreira: Where do I find community today? Well, I have all my friends that I started out with. Of course, the swim team. I used to be on the swim team last year. So the swim team,

3:10 Naeem Mangum: You used to be on the swim team?

3:11 Myers Ferreira: I used to be on the swim team. I was a swimmer at one point, backstroker a hundred back. I think I dibbled and dabbled in the 200 back once or twice, 5,100 to 200 free.

3:29 Naeem Mangum: Nice.

3:29 Myers Ferreira: Yes.

3:30 Naeem Mangum: Quite the array of events

3:31 Myers Ferreira: There. Oh, I'm a Renaissance man.

3:36 Naeem Mangum: Alright.

3:37 Myers Ferreira: Yes. But yeah, and then also my roommate Naeem, who's also my best friend who whoever he hangs out with is usually who I'll go hang out with. Also a lot. The aviation program here, whoever goes to the airport, I'll talk to them. A lot of the residents of Sewanee and surrounding areas who keep their plans up here come up and like to talk about literally anything and everything. So I'll talk to them about whatever they want to talk about. They're all relatively older people,

4:18 Naeem Mangum: Just networking with the aviation people.

4:20 Myers Ferreira: Networking with the aviation people. We had a few people come back to me and they're like, if you need some hours, I'm just safety pilot or something, you want to give some free time in this plane or whatever, whatever, whatever. And I'm like, why not? New connection and it works. It works out for me. So that's my community here.

4:43 Naeem Mangum: And what about back at home today?

4:46 Myers Ferreira: Back at home today... I'm pretty lame back at home, unfortunately, I've had some trouble keeping up with all my friends from home, but I'll hang out with my cousin. I have a best friend Nash that I'll hang out with. But for the most part, the people I see most that home are, of course I work with my granddad and my mother and my sister. But my job at BMW, those are the people that I see the most. And I guess I'm around the most when I'm home.

5:25 Naeem Mangum: What is your job at BMW?

5:28 Myers Ferreira: So I'm assistant mechanic, so I help the techs with whatever they're doing, whatever they might need help on. That's what I'll do.

5:42 Naeem Mangum: And what was your journey, that role? How'd you find your way to working at the BMW?

5:49 Myers Ferreira: Well, BMW is my favorite brand in 2020, I just wanted one so bad. So I worked a saved up a little bit of money, bought myself a BMW in Montana, flew out to Montana, drove it back 1,640 miles, and as soon as I got home, everything on it just went out. It was actually insane that it didn't go out until we were basically pulling into the driveway and I didn't know how to work on cars at the time. And I took it to BMW and the guy BMW or the owner of that BMW place really liked my car. And it's a relatively rare car in the BMW fanboy world. So he was like, you come work for us and you get free parts, we'll teach you how to work on this car, keep it up, these type of cars you want to keep on the road because not too many of them left. So

6:52 Naeem Mangum: What type of car is it?

6:54 Myers Ferreira: It is a 2004 E 46, 330i ZHP. So about 3000 ZHPs were left in the US. And the specific color combination that I have, which is Mystic Blue with a Montana saddle beige interior, seven of those specific vehicles left running today. Wow.

7:29 Naeem Mangum: Alright. Kind of shifting from that a little bit, who inspires you and what traits does this person or do these individuals have?

7:43 Myers Ferreira: Who inspires me? My granddad and my mother inspire me the most out of everybody I know because they are the hardest working people that I know. My granddad owned a tire changing shop and a laundromat for 30 years. And man provided from his family came up from the middle of nowhere and McGee, Mississippi moved out to Memphis, Tennessee and built his way on up. And after my father passed when I was nine years old, he came in, took the role as basically my second parent and raised me to be the person I am today and taught me all types of things. We do a lot work together, mow grass and little projects and whenever he has something to do because he's always moving around, working 88 years old, still walking, still head of hair and anything he's got to do, I'm right behind him. And then my mom, like I said, after my dad passed, I mean single parent household, how difficult that can be. Two kids, you got a floor shop you're trying to run on your own and made it happen. Kept me and my sister in swim and gave us a pretty good life growing up, even though the circumstances were against or the odds were against her. And she found enough time to raise me and my sister and still provide for us pretty well. So those are the two people that inspire me the most.

9:53 Naeem Mangum: What traveling have you done, Stephen?

9:59 Myers Ferreira: I am not an international man. Lemme tell you. Lemme see here. I've been to New York, my great uncle lives in New York and in 2017 we went out there and visited him for, he's a playwright, and we went and visited him to see one of his plays. My aunt lives in San Francisco, or more specifically Oakland. And I go out there between one and three times a year. And I've been to pretty much every state, but I've spent time in, of course, Florida a lot the east coast and spent a lot of time in Mississippi because I visit my granddad's family in McGee, Mississippi. Been to Mexico on a cruise.

11:00 Naeem Mangum: So you are an international man

11:02 Myers Ferreira: If you want to consider Mexico International. Go ahead.

11:08 Naeem Mangum: Before we segue into the Black Lives Matter questions, one more personal question. What is your favorite type of music and your favorite artist?

11:27 Myers Ferreira: My favorite type of music? I would say that my playlists consist mostly of hip hop, trap, rap genre, and my favorite artist, I just always got to go with Gunna Future. Future is following close behind Gunna right now. But Gunner for me personally, on top since 2020, he came out with Wunna and that was true. I feel like one of might be probably one of the best albums ever made. And through the tries and tribulations of that man consistently not being a free individual, he has still managed to put out beautifully orchestrated tracks in my opinion. And anything that I can buy off his website, I try to, because I feel like he's just one of the greatest coming out of Atlanta.

12:30 Naeem Mangum: Nice. All right. Now segueing towards Black Lives Matter. How do you receive the news? Just of daily things

12:43 Myers Ferreira: daily life. So my mom tells me, she sends me articles a lot and then I'll also, a lot of things, I still have my news thing on my phone up and it'll send me little random notifications, so I see that too. Also a lot by word of ear, a lot of when certain things are happening, I have a lot of people that I know ask me if I know about this or I saw this. There's specific things I'm seeing a lot. Of course social media is not a reliable source, but for instance, currently on TikTok, I'm seeing a lot of award videos overseas right now and things of that nature. So I guess it is a mix of social media and then whatever important political stuff is going on pops up on my news feed thing on my phone. And then my mom will tell me, mostly my mother though, she sends me everything. And she's an avid news watcher of basically every channel because she feels like it's important to know everything about everybody on all sides of everything. So she'll send me a lot of news articles and clips, and she sends me emails every single day, every single day of news. So yeah, that's why I get mine mind.

14:50 Naeem Mangum: Going off that, what's your experience? You talked about how you get a lot of your news from social media. What is your experience with social media?

15:07 Myers Ferreira: My experience with social media, so I downloaded Instagram when I was in the seventh grade. I got Snapchat to seventh grade and media wasn't, it wasn't something that was super important to me. Also, I never had a phone that was capable of really handling media until I was in the 10th grade. And so it wasn't, social media wasn't something I was super heavily involved in, involved in until about 10th grade in the first place. And along with that, I didn't spend too much time browsing around trying to find stuff on it anyway, so at that age at least. So that's my experience with social media.

16:12 Naeem Mangum: How did you first encounter with the Black Lives Matter movement? Was that through your mom or through social media or what

16:22 Myers Ferreira: Was when? 2020, when George Floyd was killed was the first time I'd ever heard of the Black Lives Matter movement. In fact, I honestly couldn't, for a while I thought that it started because of George Floyd. I didn't even think it was anything beforehand. So that was my first encounter with the Black Lives Matter movement was when they really arose to the media after George Floyd was killed.

16:59 Naeem Mangum: What was your community's reaction to the Black Lives Matter movement?

17:03 Myers Ferreira: My community was pretty outraged by the Black Lives Matter movement. A lot of my mom's friends, that was something that my granddad, my mom, my sister, it was of course everywhere. So it was really, protests came up pretty quick and it was talked about for a really long time, especially during Covid when we had nothing better to do, but sit there and I mean, it was something, I'm trying to collect my thought here, my thought bubble.

17:48 Naeem Mangum: It's all good. Take your time.

17:49 Myers Ferreira: Yeah, yeah, no, I saw a few protests. They shut down a police station near my neighborhood that's still vacant to this day. And I think a lot of the people marketing are pretty passionate about that thing. Just about the whole ordeal, how it happened, and trying to find some type of resolution for something or for that event. Because I mean, all in all, it was just a bad situation. So that was my encounter with the Black Lives Matter.

18:56 Naeem Mangum: And, Which generation do you think was most affected by the Black Lives Matter movement?

19:07 Myers Ferreira: I would say that I feel like the generation that was affected the most would probably be, I don't even know the generations. I think it's a mix between mine and the one above my generation.

19:32 Naeem Mangum: Millennials.

19:33 Myers Ferreira: Millennials and Gen X

19:35 Naeem Mangum: We're Gen Z. Gen X I think is one above millennial.

19:39 Myers Ferreira: Okay. So yeah, gen Z. Yeah. So yeah, millennials and Gen Z probably, I feel like we were the most affected by it because we're, I mean, the most youngest to experience it. And my old pastor always said, children are 40% of our population, but a hundred percent of our future. So coming up, us coming up and the change and trying to make change and getting voices heard is, I mean, in general, that's usually just a younger generation thing, and it's a lot easier for us to band together and collect and make uproar about certain things that we find unfair or not. So that's how I feel like is the most affected by that.

20:48 Naeem Mangum: And then you also mentioned millennials. You also mentioned millennials as well. So how do you think they were affected

21:03 Myers Ferreira: By that? I think millennials were affected by... that... In just the way of, I feel like I feel when things happened, the generations under the things that happen are the ones that make change. And George Floyd was a relatively older guy, so I feel like the people that need to come in and make change and make things better for everybody coming up, we're the ones, honestly, that are going to experience the most life out of anybody, just in general. So I feel like, yeah, millennials and being the second youngest to the age of George Floyd, I think that our, or
22:31 Yeah, mean to put it basically the younger generation has to come up and make it. We see something and we know it's not right, and we saw an experience, but we know that we're the ones that are going to have to grow up and have to live with this experience. All we can do is make it better for ourselves as being the youngest and the people that are going to come up behind us. So that's...

23:06 Naeem Mangum: Has the Black Lives Matter movement impacted your life?

23:16 Myers Ferreira: How has it impacted my life? I can't really say off the top of my head that it has impacted my life that much. I mean, it is not necessarily something that I wake up and I'm like, okay. But I mean, of course I'm aware of things that are going on around me. Of course, I look around, I'm aware of my own personal surroundings, of course. For instance, whenever my roommate Naeem and I went to Walmart today, and I go down to Walmart around here in Sewanee, and I'm like, okay, I know that there's probably going to be somebody who doesn't like me just to not like me. So I'm aware of my surroundings, but I feel like I've always been that way in certain situations or just in general. You kind of have to be that way. So I would say, I guess seeing the events that Black Lives Matter stands for, I guess it made me more aware of something I was already aware about. I mean, I already know that racism and prejudices exist, and I mean, all I can do is try to battle it, and I can't let that personally take me down. So I would say that, yeah, I guess in a way, like I said, I look at the things that Black Lives Matter stands for, and it makes me more aware of there are people out here who are really passionate about hating people, and how can I be more aware of how I deal with that kind of thing. So that's how that's affected me.

25:34:00 Naeem Mangum: And then how do you think you have such a strong foundation considering you heard of the Black Lives Matter movement with George Floyd's death, how do you think you have such a strong foundation of being aware of your surroundings?

25:54:00 Myers Ferreira: I feel like I have a really strong foundation because as a child, I was always an anxious child. I was always an anxious child in general. So I felt like I was always, I hated going on roller coasters and I hated anything that I deemed unsafe in any possible way, literally in any possible way. If I looked at a car or something, it had a dent, and I was like, okay, so the car ride be unsafe. I would just not be down to go in it. And I remember one time after we went to Kroger and my mom, when I was 10 or nine or something, my mom was telling me about Jeffrey Dahmer, and I was like, dang, I, I didn't want to ever run into somebody like that. So I was, all those kind of things stick in my mind. I'd be like, okay, now i's got to be watchful. So I was always a watchful child in general, but especially growing up, I mean, I think my parents instilled pretty early in me that racism exists, especially within my grandparents. Oh yeah, my grandparents.
27:25:00 I mean, for instance, my first name Myers is my granddad's last name and my granddad's last name, Myers is our, my family's slave owners last name. So little things like that, I always knew racism existed. I've heard stories about, my grandfather lived in McGee, Mississippi, and he had a great relative that was, I hear stories about great relatives that were lynched for having a lot of land down in McGee, Mississippi. And even when I was younger, even when I guess that's being around my granddad, and for instance, we will go down to McGee, Mississippi, and my family down there is marginalized and they've been taken advantage of heavily by white people down there. There's a lot of oil on the land that they own, and they've had, they don't have the money and the knowledge to battle that kind of thing. And the white people would come in and stick their little oil pump things on their land. They'll literally be like their trailer home and the oil pump is right next to their trailer home, and they just don't have the knowledge to fight it or the money to fight against that kind of thing. And they'll come in and they've been taking advantage of my family for, I don't even know how long, ever since I remember when I would go down there. So being around my granddad, and I mean, I've experienced my own things.
29:36:00 I am a 225 pound six one African American with dreads. I mean, just to some people on the street who don't know me, it probably doesn't get any worse than that. So I mean, being aware of racism and things of that nature has always just been in my, that's just, I mean, like I said, my parents instilled that in me pretty early. And I knew, or I've known that my family and ancestors and other black people have been taken advantage of for years. And I've seen, I watched the news always when I was younger. I would sit down, we would all collect as a family in the front room, and we would watch the news, and I saw cop killings and things of that nature and do, so I'd see things like that. And I'd hear about it at school too, even the kids, when something like crazy would happen, even the kids would talk about it, talk about events that their parents were talking about. That's what I heard a lot of things too about that, where parents would talk about something, the household and the kids would come back and talk about it, and then sometimes the teachers would get involved and adding on their two cents about that kind of thing. I would say my awareness with that kind of thing has been pretty high for all my life.

31:31:00 Naeem Mangum: While talking about that, you said you've been exposed to things as well, if you feel comfortable sharing, what are you talking about?

31:43:00 Myers Ferreira: When I said exposed to things like being who I am or just in general?

31:49:00 Naeem Mangum: Being... Just in general.

31:53:00 Myers Ferreira: Just in general. Yeah. I remember this one specific time on my 14th birthday when I was walking around cross town with me and my friends. It was my 14th birthday and we were walking around, it was building called Crosstown in my city, and we got an ice cream, and we were just walking around the place just like a few kids, and I forgot, I think we were walking back to our parents and somebody had complained to the security that there was a group of teenagers being loud, loud and obnoxious in the building, in which, I mean, we were eating ice cream. I mean, there's just not a sound coming, especially out of me. I mean, I can go down on some ice cream. So there was not one peep coming out of me. We were just a group of guys walking through the building and the security guards came up to us and pulled us outside and told us that we would, if we didn't quiet it down, we would be permanently banned from the facility.
33:14:00 So I remember that when I was younger, and especially even now, I'll try to, it makes me sometimes even more aware. Sometimes when I'm walking behind people, I'll try to walk faster past them or walk really hard so that they can hear behind me. Because people, I mean, of course, I've seen the clutch purses and people, especially in communities like this, when I come back to Sewanee and I go anywhere and I have my retwist in and everything, people look at me, they like to look crazy. I guess it's not, I guess in the communities like this where you don't have a lot of black people, but just in general, I get a lot of crazy looks, actually pretty often, or more like stare downs. I don't want to say crazy looks, but I catch a lot of people staring at me when I go places, especially around here.

34:36:00 Naeem Mangum: When do you think you started to notice people staring at you?

34:44:00 Myers Ferreira: Probably around eighth grade. I was always a larger kid, and then I started getting some good height on me when I was in eighth grade. I think I was in eighth grade. I was probably five, 10 or so around that, and I was pretty hefty. So walk around, I was, what, 13? Between 12 and 13 and already bigger than most adults. So it was walking around places. I would notice people look at just the thinking like, oh, I need to be careful around this person.
35:41:00 Oh, especially when I'm with children for some reason. I don't know why. When I'm with my little cousins, I have two twin cousins named August and Leo and one named Katel. And the twins are, the twins are eight. Katel is, I'm trying to do the math in my head. She's 11, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And especially when I go out with her, people look at me. I mean, of course, she's a blonde white girl, and I'm me, and then I'll go out with my cousins and I think people just look at, they'll look at me and they'll be like, I don't know. This dude does not need to be with kids. I don't know why. They always look at me crazy, especially when I go over with Katel, look at me crazy. I mean, of course, I definitely do not look like none of their dads. You know what I'm saying? So yeah.

36:55:00 Naeem Mangum: Going back really quick, what is Crosstown?

37:00:00 Myers Ferreira: Crosstown? Crosstown is a, so it used to be a Sears building in Memphis, which it is a huge, huge brick building that supposed to be, it's basically just a one big community. They have apartments in there, ice cream shop, places to eat, doctor eye doctors grocery store in there, the gym. The gym I go to when I'm back home is in there. They have YMCA pool, which I worked at there. They have a brewery. I mean, it is basically just one big community, one big building community. They have basically everything that you could imagine in there. And it was a place that once they rebuilt it, I think they rebuilt it when I was in eighth grade. They reopened it, did a big renovation on and reopened it, and me and my friends, we'd go there and hang out because we didn't have cars. So we at that age, so we would bike there or walk there. We'd get together, we'd meet up there and spent a lot of my pre covid years, eighth, ninth, 10th grade at Crosstown. That's meeting spot with my friends. And we would just walk around hanging out, eat, walk, I think 12 stories, or it's probably even higher than that actually. And we'll walk around and just talk, hang out, nice hangout spot.

38:37:00 Naeem Mangum: That's probably another nice place of community that you have

38:42:00 Myers Ferreira: Yeah, that is true. And they have a school there too. There's a charter school there. And my class was the first class that started the charter school. And a lot of my friends, I went to Snowden Middle School, and a lot of my friends, since we all lived in that community, a lot of them went to straight from s Snowden to Cross Town. So yeah, no, that was also a community. I'd meet up with them after they got out of school, or when we would go to Cross Town, I'd go with, I'd probably go with my friends, Ian and DeMarcus, and then we would go there and we would see a whole bunch of other people we knew that were just there coming out of school or doing homework there or something like that.

39:39:00 Naeem Mangum: Do you think that that incident that you had with getting the security called on you for no reason, do you think that that had any effect on how you view Crosstown for any period of time or even to now?

39:58:00 Myers Ferreira: I think at that time, even though I was aware of what it was, I was too young to have it be something that lingered with me. It was definitely one of those things like, oh yeah, I know this. At that age of 14, it was my 14th birthday. At that age, I was like, oh yeah, I know this happened. And then I probably went to sleep and the next day completely forgot about it at the time. So I can't say at that time, and even then, even if it was something that I felt like was a thing, I wouldn't, at that age, I felt, I just don't feel like that'd be something that I would have much power in any way. I always, ever since a young age, I always have respect for any form of authority, and I treat all people that I believe with authority, the exact same. For instance, I'll always call, here, I always call a coach. Coach. I never like whatever name, I'm always coach. And coach holds the same weight in my eyes as something like Doctor or something. When you have a title, that's what you have a form of authority.
41:30:00 And I was also from a young age, along with authority, you respect all adults. And at 14, I also knew I was a kid. So it was something that, although I definitely at the time, as I've gotten old, I've come to realize, I knew the situation, but I think I focused more on the fact of I have authority telling me something, rather than looking at it as in like, okay, this is just unfair. So I think that's what it was.

42:11:00 Naeem Mangum: How do you think the Black Lives Matter movement succeeded?

42:18:00 Myers Ferreira: How do I think it succeeded? I think it succeeded in getting the message out there of, I mean, everybody saw it after George Floyd. I saw stickers, paintings, all types of stuff of that fist with the Black Lives Matter, that was everywhere. That was it. They really pushed media out there and everybody saw what happened. So I feel like they succeeded in getting messages of injustices out, because I feel like it probably would've gotten out anyway. But I think taking something and associating it with that group, or taking that and associating with something that already existed that had a decent following already really boosted, boosted that movement. And I mean, we saw it with everywhere, the amount of protests and things that were going on throughout the United States, and even in my Black history class, my Professor Dr. Maginn was traveled overseas, and he even saw George Floyd memorabilia and Black matter memorabilia laid out on brick walls and spray painted places. So yeah.

44:04:00 Naeem Mangum: How do you think the movement failed?

44:11:00 Myers Ferreira: I feel like along with the media, it was, I mean, at the end of the day, I really cannot see how this could have specifically been fixed, because people really made their own opinions on this. But it really kind of got out in the same way that Black Lives Matter was a terrorist organization. I saw that a lot on Instagram comment sections, and a lot of radicalists. I mean, I think it was, I can't say, I can't off the top of my head be like it failed because I feel like a lot of the bad things said about Black Lives Matter, were from people who either only focused on the bad things, like certain riots and things, because a lot of people, like I said, radicalize, and they don't care about the lives of black people or how that can affect others, and they just don't like seeing black people band together to get things done. So they would just be like, I can't, in the way that I would think it failed. I can't say it really did, because either way, they're going to be people who are always going to hate something, so they're not going to, I mean, you can't stop that kind of thing.

46:03:00 Naeem Mangum: What do you think is the future of the Black Lives Matter movement?

46:12:00 Myers Ferreira: I mean, I think that the future of the Black Lives Matter movement is, I feel like it's just going to be on the same steady pace that it is now, because at the end of the day, there's always going to be in injustice, and we're learning more now more than ever, that people are really coming out here and hating. A lot of people hate more than really ever now. So I feel like as long as they can keep the momentum as they are now and push for when something happens, really come out there and support the community that was affected and get the message out there so that people know what's going on, then I feel like the future of the Black Lives Matter movement should do fine or if not better than it's doing now.

47:14:00 Naeem Mangum: All right. Well, thank you for your time, Stephen. I had a wonderful time interviewing you

47:20:00 Myers Ferreira: Absolutely.

47:22:00 Naeem Mangum: All right.

47:22:00 Myers Ferreira: It was absolutely fantastic.

47:25:00 Naeem Mangum: Alright.